TRANSCRIPT - Dr. John Volpe
John Volpe is the Assistant Professor of Invasion and Fisheries
Biology at the University of Alberta.
The 'leasing out' of continental shelves seems to be the direction
aquaculture is going, what are your thoughts on that?
The future plans
are very worrying. The individual states along the West Coast particularly
have run across very strident oppositions with the coastal aquaculture
model. So the motivation now on the part of the federal government
is to remove the jurisdiction from the states, off shore and in
the economic exclusion zone. We’re moving coastal or state
input in the decisions. We’re taking a very flawed model that
is essentially a net loss of protein production and then amplifying
that model hundreds, perhaps thousands of times. It is going to
be that much greater of a footprint, that much greater of an effect
on the environment.
We are fishing out the oceans. Is this going to be a positive
thing for wild fisheries in the future?
I would say
no, we are not fishing out the oceans. There are plenty of fish
out there. The problem is if we were creating food we would not
be engaging in aquaculture in this manner whatsoever. This is a
profit-generating enterprise. The economies of scale that are being
talked about in the offshore industry is about generating profit,
not about generating food.
Will the leasing of oceans amount to the privatization of
for the offshore push given to the public is one of national security.
The American foreign national debt is greatest in oil, second in
cars, and seafood is the next largest sector of trading deficit
in the United States. With homeland security and a new and very
high profile in the public discourse, there seems to be a need,
or there is a projected need to provide seafood domestically for
consumption. This is really a money grab and is the leading edge
of the privatization of the offshore environment, the last common,
truly common environment left on this earth.
Who is pushing this agenda? What’s at stake?
It is clearly
the aquaculture industry and it’s being pushed under the guise
of a blue revolution that we’re going to feed the world. But
we’re going to use a method that is a net protein loss, and
to do that obviously makes very little sense whatsoever. This is
the leading edge of a privatization that has a much broader horizon.
With just aquaculture, we’re looking at tapping the common
resources in the ocean itself. So oil and gas are obviously big
ones, but there are many others. We’re after industries right
now that can’t be engaged in, because it is a common resource.
Once the template is there, via aquaculture, then the door opens
very widely to the privatization of the ocean.
If they push these ocean leases, do you have faith that
that there will be environmental sustainability or regulations securing
in part of the regulations of the offshore industry. If we simply
look at what kind of regulations are in play around the traditional
coastal industries, I think the scientific community speaks with
a single voice that they are no where near adequate, for instance
with the traditional net pen systems.
What kind of assurance do we have that the government will
manage the offshore leases?
of costs of production is being absorbed by the commons. When we
move this industry out into the offshore, the offloading is going
to be just that much greater. Therefore we the people who own this
common resource are going to be asked to absorb just that much more.
What can people do about this?
The best way
to go about it is twofold. One, consumers have to educate themselves
and be conservationists with their wallet. They should support those
industries that support their environmental concerns and don’t
give support to those that don’t, obviously. But also second,
we need to be a little more creative. Aquaculture is the way of
the future, there’s definitely room for aquaculture on this
coast. What there is not room for is this simple Wild West, money
grubbing, economic bottom-line-only model. We need to produce food,
commented on the fact that it’s not the industries fault and
they’re only doing what they’re being allowed to do
by government? It’s the same level of thinking that brought
down the commercial fishery and other extractive resources like
the forestry industry. Now we’re using that same flawed logic
in the development of the aquaculture industry. We need to remember
that the industry itself is not completely to blame here. It’s
the complicity on the part of the managers and policy makers that
are supposed to be looking out for our best interest. They are literally
asleep at the switch. But somebody must make the point that aquaculture
is the way of the future. It’s not a black or white situation.
There is room in the world for aquaculture and commercial fisheries.
Unfortunately, the way it’s going right now is that commercial
fisheries are out and aquaculture’s in, and so costs begin.
You were talking about aquaculture is the way of the future.
definitely has a bright future; however the way that we’re
engaging it right now is obviously patently false. There’s
room for aquaculture but it’s going to call for a level of
thinking that simply isn’t being enacted at this point.