|   INTERVIEW 
              TRANSCRIPT - Rebecca Goldburg 
               
             
              
                 
                  |   Rebecca 
                      Goldberg is a Senior Scientist at Environmental Defense 
                      in New York. 
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              What is the problem with salmon aquaculture? 
            There 
              are a number of problems with salmon farming, but the main one is 
              that the farming is being done directly in coastal bays and estuaries, 
              treating them as a dumping ground. salmon farming is basically akin 
              to putting a feedlot in the water. Very large numbers of fish, a 
              couple hundred thousand fish in any particular farm site, are put 
              close together. All the waste from those fish and uneaten feed flow 
              directly into coastal waters. The mantra of the salmon farming industry 
              is a rather old fashioned one: dilution is the solution to pollution. 
               
            If 
              you go back to the turn of the century, the way of dealing with 
              air pollution was to build tall smoke stacks and get it up into 
              the atmosphere and spread the smoke out. We didn't have to worry 
              about it. That's the approach of the salmon farming industry. Put 
              the farm into the water. The water will take salmon waste and dilute 
              them and therefore they're not a problem. That's a rather old fashioned 
              mentality in an era where we realize that our environment is not 
              infinite, that the ocean is not infinite, and we need to treat it 
              with care. 
              
              Is the solution getting them out of the coastal areas or is it more 
              complicated than that? 
            Making 
              salmon farming more sustainable means dealing with a number of problems 
              caused by the industry. One of them is keeping the industry from 
              causing water pollution. Another issue concerns the use of large 
              quantities of wild caught fish as feed for salmon, that's simply 
              not ecologically sustainable. Another issue is the very large numbers 
              of farmed salmon that escape from salmon farms and survive and reproduce 
              in natural waters. That's a big problem on the West Coast of the 
              United States and Canada, because most of the salmon that are farmed 
              are Atlantic salmon. Atlantic salmon doesn't belong in Pacific waters. 
              It appears that they are beginning to establish populations in the 
              Pacific and that those populations may threaten some native runs 
              of salmon species. 
              
              Are there any threats to Atlantic salmon on the East Coast? 
               
            The 
              escape of farmed salmon is a huge issue in Maine. The remaining 
              runs of wild Atlantic salmon in Maine are actually on the federal 
              endangered species list. So, there's a great attempt by the Federal 
              Government to restore Atlantic salmon populations in wild rivers 
              in Maine. There are so many salmon now escaping from salmon farms 
              that they dwarf the remaining population of wild salmon. When the 
              farmed and the wild salmon inter breed, they essentially genetically 
              dumb down the wild salmon. It's sort of like breeding a mutt with 
              a wolf and expecting that the offspring will be anything but a hybrid 
              that isn't as fit to survive in the wild. So, the National Marine 
              Fisheries Service has actually identified the escape of farmed salmon 
              as one of the major impediments to restoring endangered wild salmon 
              runs in Maine. 
              
              What else about aquaculture would you like to speak to? 
            One 
              of the main rationales that is offered for aquaculture development 
              is to supplement fish catches worldwide. We're not going to get 
              more wild fish out of the ocean, stocks are collapsing, or at least 
              in some cases, there's no more fish to get. So, the notion is that 
              aquaculture will supplement marine fisheries. But, the fact is that 
              if salmon farming depends on huge numbers of wild caught fish as 
              inputs, salmon farming doesn't supplement wild fisheries. It depends 
              on them. 
               
                Can you 
              comment on food safety and this kind of aquaculture? 
            The 
              Food and Drug Administration only has a couple legally enforceable 
              standards for seafood safety, for mercury, and for PCBs. A lot of 
              other toxins, the agency doesn't have a legally enforceable standard 
              for, if they've even set any sort of standard at all. Moreover, 
              most of our farmed salmon is imported and very little seafood, perhaps 
              2% gets inspected as it crosses the border. So, the American public 
              has very little protection at the moment from imported seafood that 
              might contain unsafe level of contaminants. 
              
              What about farmed salmon and food safety? 
            Farmed 
              salmon is almost certainly higher in contaminants than wild salmon 
              because it's fed a diet that's very high in fish oil. When toxins 
              accumulate in the environment, they tend to accumulate in fats. 
              Because farmed salmon have this high oil diet, and have a greater 
              fat content than wild caught salmon, they tend to be more toxic. 
               
                Could 
              you comment on consumer power? 
            Consumers 
              have great potential to influence how the seafood industry conducts 
              its business. At the moment, there is great alternative in the marketplace 
              to farmed salmon. That is wild caught salmon from Alaska. The wild 
              salmon fishery in Alaska is relatively well managed and consumers 
              should feel quite comfortable buying salmon from Alaska as an alternative. 
              It's an ecologically preferable alternative to farmed salmon. 
              
              Can you comment on how that's counterintuitive for many people? 
            Many 
              consumers tend to automatically assume that just because a fish 
              is farmed, it's environmentally preferable to wild caught fish. 
              The truth is actually more complicated, and in the case of salmon, 
              wild caught salmon from Alaska are environmentally much more preferable 
              to farmed salmon for environmentally conscious consumers.  |