TRANSCRIPTS - Bryan Duncan
Bryan Duncan is Professor and Director of Fisheries and Allied
Aquacultures at Auburn University, Alabama.
response to your concerns that you mentioned, too often we speak
of sustainability. The immediate response is to think of the ecosystem,
the environmental resource base, the technology, and that's not
all there is to the picture, obviously. There certainly is economical
sustainability, and you want to be able to generate real economic
benefits for those who are associated with that industry and to
sustain those benefits over time and then the social benefits, which
you are far better to address than I.
am also concerned about our history, embedded in a bias towards
the small-scale producer, that's changing a little bit incrementally
of our concerns is the social sustainability. I'm not sure I understand
all of the ramifications to this. But as a social being myself and
as one who lives in community and in family and I understand what
some of these issues are with sustaining the life of the community,
sustaining the life of the family, providing opportunities for those
people to become more productive engaged members in their societies
-- so it's a very broad concern which certainly transcends the purely
it's well that we make some effort not to draw caricatures, which
is pretty easy to do. When you try to make a point, you want to
make a point, you want to make it clear, unambiguous, but you run
the risk of drawing caricatures.
hand, I have witnessed and as I've worked along the coastal communities
in Indonesia for 5 years, I have been in communities where the small
holder -- the local artisenal fisher folks -- have pretty well wiped
out their mangrove environment in which they where they were living.
That certainly was not a sustainable practice.
they had needs -- and there were lot of them -- and relatively little
mangrove resource to support them. So we see that happening on that
scale as well, the destruction of the environment.
other hand, I know of specific examples of corporations and I admit
there are many fewer than I would like to see out there, but nonetheless
have brought real changes to the communities in which they found
speak of has created quite a bit of labor opportunities, particularly
in the processing aspects of their production system. There are
clinics and physicians where there were none before. There are schools,
there are loan programs for their workers to improve their houses,
to drill wells for water. There are scholarship moneys, which are
set aside for their children to buy the obligatory school uniforms
and go off to the next city where there is a high school when there
may not be one in their village.
price does this all comes at, I'm not prepared to say here, but
the immediacy of those sorts of benefits are attractive and you
see them when you are there amongst them. And so again, you have
the range on both ends of the spectrum and I think that needs to
be acknowledged and recognized.
When you say processing, what is that, a place where they take the
shrimp and freeze them?
They bring the shrimp in from the ponds, they will de-head them,
and de-vein them, pack them, weigh them, count them, sort them,
grade them, quick-freeze them, package them, and then they are all
loaded onto a container and a truck comes and takes them off to
a port or to a major city where the market is. And that's a lot
of hand labor, a lot of people doing this, and a lot of jobs as
one hand it's the renaissance of a coastal community is not necessarily
a consequence of industrialization, but on the other hand it's not
all ruination and despoliations of the communities' families and
the environment either.